Speaker 2
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Speaker 1
Yeah, Nathan. My name's Terry. Yeah, my name's Terry Conklin. And would you take my phone number? When we get disconnected, you can call me back. Yeah. Because I was just on the phone, I was just on the phone with someone at your tech support group. And if I lose the internet, I don't, I don't, I don't get very good self-service. So while we're talking, if I lose the internet, I'm probably going to lose the phone call. And then I have to go somewhere else in my house to go get a cell connection, and then I can come back down to my office, and then I can come back down to my office, and then I can come back down to my office, where I'm...
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Speaker 2
Thank you for calling Linux. My name is Nathan. May I know who am I speaking to? Yes. How can I help you, sir? Yeah, is this the one that ends 9121? All right. Tell me, how can I help you? That's okay. Just kidding.
02:00
Speaker 1
I am now, so, the, the problem I'm having is trying to document that my intermittent internet connection is because of my internet supplier, and not the Linksys router. So I started down a line of questioning with this young lady on the phone and, uh, probably because of me, I did something and we lost connection. But nonetheless, I'm calling back to see if someone can't help me determine if this intermittent connection is the ISP or whether it's the router. Yep.
03:00
Speaker 2
Your Internet service provider is the Pathfinder. Is it... is it the same?
03:00
Speaker 1
yep. But it doesn't do logging. is what I understand from the help page. How can I how can I see a log? I mean, I've got your I've I've logged in to to the 192.168.1.1 and I've got the linksys page up here.
04:00
Speaker 2
And your router is an MVE 7000. This is a good one. Alright. Yeah, yeah, it does not. It only it does not save logs, the reason is logs can be used to by hackers and snoopings need to eavesdrop on your transaction and we remove it because it creates history. So people can take a look, oh this is what the connections and things like that. So they remove it. You can see the logs, but it is a real time. What are the current transactions right now. And it moves after... Okay. [silence]
04:00
Speaker 1
on my computer. [silence] Wi-Fi settings. [silence] see A. [silence] oh, a hand just popped up. secretive. [silence] oh, and it didn't do anything. [silence]
05:00
Speaker 2
Okay, so AR is under DC, did you see the links is part Wi-Fi? The blue screen? No, no. On the lower right side at the screen there's a letter word CA star date alpha. Do you see it? Yeah. Blue OK. What happened? Almost OK. Now. Now. Yeah it's gone now. You are now, if you check any of the devices
05:00
Speaker 1
Trouble, shooting, okay, uh, oh, yeah. destination port, destination, okay, logs. What is it telling me? Okay.
06:00
Speaker 2
in here, it will create options that are not available a while ago. Now go to troubleshooting. Under the logs, you can enable the logs. This is a little, it's not really significant unlike the typical logs coming from other devices that shows you who's connecting, who's disconnecting, something like that. It doesn't work that way. I know a tool that can help you with this one. Wireshark, if you're familiar with that one, it will tell you what are the connections, disconnections,
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Speaker 1
Yeah. Um, wireshark. years ago. I used to use wireshark. How? Dun dun dun. How? uh uh uh, logins you use as far as you use as sell a router that does this logged into Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. But how, I mean. How? Okay. Okay. Um. How do you?
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Speaker 2
And it's not just specific to any other device. It will tell you where is the disconnection. Is it coming from the internet or is it coming from the router or is it coming from the device. It's not a set of parties. I got it from experience, Wireshark. I'm an old, we are old people. Now they use different tools. Oh, you remember that one. This is the problem limited. Go ahead. You're asking. No, we don't have that one. Unlike the WRR before, the old, old ones, yes, those are loggings. It
07:00
Speaker 1
connect directly to the to the router which which I am and then it starts going down you lose internet connection does the light on the router turn red yes it does um have I restarted the modem restarted the router yes I have um then it says verify your modem connection is the Ethernet cable from your modem plugged firmly in yes it's firmly in there what else does it prompt me what are the other well that's and then that's the only suggestion your help chat bot or whatever it is tell yeah that's all link bot what what am i to but what I like is this page it's in front of me that clearly shows the network status and that shows my device yeah I'm connected directly to the router but then it starts going down you lose internet connection does the light on the router turn red yes it does um have I restarted the modem restarted the router yes I have um then it says verify your modem connection is the Ethernet cable from your modem plugged firmly in yes it's firmly in there what else does it prompt me what are the other well that's and then that's the only suggestion your help chat bot or whatever it is tell yeah that's all link bot what what am I to but what I like is this page it's in front of me that clearly shows the network status and that shows my device.
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Speaker 2
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09:00
Speaker 1
the router and the internet and it shows the internet i've seen the screen, it shows the internet connection goes down it turns red i guess it's an X that appears there um is i there's there's no way for you guys to there's no way for you guys to log this you know you can't get to the web okay all right so i gotta do third party look at wire shark and see if that can't help me that yeah
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Speaker 2
Good. I will send it to you. and you can, you're a techie. Uh, your tech theory. Right? You can understand technical stuff. All right. Let me read this one. research in this one. And then once I get a deeper understanding, I'll share it to you. give you your tips and guide so that you can take a look. Okay. Let me summarize. You have an internet connection that is intermittent in connectivity. Now, you reported this issue to your ISP. They said that is not them. They pointed in the router. You don't believe that the router is the issue because it seldom does right? It could be a hardware then. Yes. But if it isn't the hardware, it could be connectivity. Now, you wanted to get the news to prove to your ISP that it could be somewhere else, not necessarily the router. It could be the physical connection. It could be the MTF along the way on the inside of the ISP. [silence]
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Speaker 1
Right. Okay. Fair. Thank you so much. Right. [silence].
12:00
Speaker 2
or could be the source itself. but that's not, what he wanted to. you can't see that. you cannot see that in the current logs because it's limited. my suggestion is a Wireshark, at least we can see the in and out intermittent, how many times disconnection, how many retries. that's a third party. I've seen that if this is a Cisco managed router, by all means we can see this by granular model. but this is a regular residential router, they limited it. and that's why it's cheaper. so let me get this one. I understand the problem. I understand your need. let me research this one and I may be able to help you. would that be fair? if I do try to factory reset and do things like that, we'll be doing shotgun and without knowing who's our target this right? and it's not fair. it's not good. we'll just be wasting our time. I'd rather get
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Speaker 1
Okay. That's it. I appreciate you looking at this. Okay. Okay. Okay. All right, thank you. Yeah, we're good. You too. Nathan thank you Nathan bye bye. [silence]
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Speaker 2
speech ends if there is anything else I can help you with anything else I can help Terry aside that one I know he I will I will I will be moving to level 2 so I'll take care of this for you I right now I'm handling level 1 calls. I'll be moving to level 2 calls. I may likely be the one to handle this for you. right then. are we good? okay then. thanks Terry and have a nice day. and thanks for calling. my name is Nathan. good day bye.
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